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How much of Flying Scotsman is original?

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As the locomotive’s overhaul nears completion, this is a perennial question asked of us, and really, the answer is ‘not much’. Over the course of its 90 plus year history as a working locomotive, parts have been replaced at every overhaul – plus of course the locomotive was rebuilt from A1 to A3 specification. It is more of an assemblage of parts bearing the name and taking the familiar outline that is known and loved by so many.

Flying Scotsman just after refurbishment in April 1928 at Doncaster Works (Image from National Railway Museum Collection)

Flying Scotsman just after refurbishment in April 1928 at Doncaster Works
(Image from National Railway Museum Collection)

Working locomotives are often compared to Grandad’s hammer – which has had three new heads and two new handles – but it’s still Grandad’s hammer. Even locomotives which have been part of the museum for over a century are not original to how they came out of the works: our history files are full of recorded and some unrecorded alterations. For example in the 1950s and 60s when the National Collection was being drawn up, the policy was to ‘build back’ locos to the condition as close as was possible to when they were new. That is how some of the locos came to acquire wooden fittings and other compromises were made to try and fit the requirement of making the exhibit appear as it did on the day it came out of the works.

This is why the Midland Compound has a Somerset & Dorset Railway class 7F loco tender and its history file refers mystically to ‘numerous cosmetic changes’ without actually specifying what those changes were! Ironically, famously the former Highland Railway locomotive Ben Alder, set aside for preservation in the 1953 was sent for scrap in 1966 as it was felt to be insufficiently original to allow a sympathetic restoration to take place.

Scotsman looking quite different in wartime black in 2011at the museum

Scotsman looking quite different in wartime black in 2011 at the museum

Over Flying Scotsman’s working life, it has had several changes of boiler, wheels, cylinders and tenders. Many components were interchangeable, not just between the A3 class, but also the V2s such as Green Arrow and so it is with our two locomotives in the collection. There are A3 parts on the V2 certainly. In addition, when Alan Pegler bought Flying Scotsman for preservation in 1962, he had it overhauled and some parts were put on the engine from other A3s. In 1966 Pegler bought the boiler off sister engine Salmon Trout, and the latter’s cylinders were also acquired for spares and eventual use on Flying Scotsman. A photograph of a very sorry looking Salmon Trout exists showing it after stripping and it is basically wheels, frames and a tender – everything else was taken off it.

To make Flying Scotsman more useful for heritage use, Pegler also had the tender swapped for one from a sister A3 named Harvester, as this was one fitted with a corridor to allow for crew changes – and footplate guests on occasions. As initially preserved, the locomotive was already not as it had been when new in 1923 through a combination of use, overhaul and restoration. Changes of number and colour have followed the machine throughout its working life and are well documented in the history books.

Scotsman being worked on in Bury just last month.

Scotsman being worked on in Bury just last month.

In the ensuing 50 years of Flying Scotsman’s life as a heritage item, more pieces have been repaired or replaced and even the nameplates are not the ones it first carried when new. The story goes that when Alan Pegler hit financial difficulties during the locomotive’s sojourn in the USA, the nameplates were sold to provide much needed assistance in a difficult time.

The most recent overhaul is probably the most comprehensive ever undertaken on a steam locomotive outside British Railways service and more worn components found to need renewal, including the bufferbeam, which had not been off the engine in five decades.

So the question of much of Flying Scotsman is original? Well, it mainly consists of the rear two thirds of the frames, part of the cab sides and some parts of the motion and possibly the driving wheel splashers.

Perhaps most importantly there’s name itself. With the same basic outline and the associations that it has built up over nearly a century, and the history which it continues to write.


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Written by Anthony Coulls

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  1. Malcolm

    Hi, I like the statement and answer to the question of originality but why have Blinkers been fitted? I cannot recall the Flying Scotsman having them fitted whilst running in the UK.

    Tanks, Malcolm.

    1. Anthony Coulls

      Thanks Malcolm, the smoke deflectors were fitted in the early 1960s and carried until 1963. They were then re-instated in 1999 and have been carried until now and are correct for the British Railways green livery which the loco will initially carry next year.

      1. Mark Greenwood

        The smoke deflectors may be technically accurate but they really are an eyesore and would be much better left off.

        1. Anthony Coulls

          Hello Mark, we ran Scotsman without the smoke deflectors for a week in 2005. With the double chimney fitted, there was real trouble with drifting steam and smoke and we ended the runs at Scarborough with filthy faces and eyes streaming. The deflectors lift the exhaust and make visibility better, also keeping the cab a much cleaner and nicer place to be.

          1. Mark Greenwood

            Don’t get me wrong I can completely understand why they were fitted and why you’ll keep them. I think the main problem is that I grew up with a Hornby model that didn’t have them, and when I saw here at Steam Town she didn’t have them either. Childhood memories are always so hard to shake.

    2. Anthony Mitchell

      I saw the Flying Scotman many times when I was young, flying through Darlington. I cannot recall any of this class ever wear blinking blinkers. They look awful.

  2. Mark Neale

    Hi,
    This is extremely interesting, and hopefully will put to bed some of the comments made by some enthusiasts. Just what is original?
    Just a couple of further questions.
    Where is the second tender which 4472 used extensively in the 70s when the locomotive was the only steam locomotive allowed on BR, due to Alan Peglers condition of purchase.
    What happens to the spare boiler now?
    If the original nameplates were sold to finance the disastrous trip to the USA, who bought them, and do we/you know where they are?

    1. Anthony Coulls

      Hello Mark

      The second tender was sold by a previous owner with the idea of it being used by Tornado – which didn’t happen. It’s now a water carrier and used behind Bittern on the main line.

      The spare boiler is actually that which is now on the loco, the A4 boiler carried by the loco in recent years was sold to another main line loco

      As for the original plates, we’d love to know!.

      1. kevin nicholson

        anthony were the plates not bought by a stuart pitchforth from Wakefield ?

  3. David Smith

    Thank you Anthony, a very enlightening summary of what has happened over time.

  4. John Murray

    Do we know where Allan Pegler sold the original plates? It may be an interesting search, they are probably in someone’s basement gathering dust in a box left by granddad!

    1. Roger J Radcliffe

      I am pretty sure that if somebody is in possession of the original FS plates they are not going to be advertising the fact on the internet.

  5. john francis

    will flying Scotsman be returning to steam in traditional apple green or br green please

  6. laura

    Hi there, think we have an old original franking machine from the flying Scotsman. Do u know if anything like this has any value?

  7. Simon B

    Is this one of the reasons that ‘Mallard’ will not be returning to steam again? Because any heavy overhaul may potentially strip her of historical parts that could be originals from the record breaking run?

  8. Ian G

    What produces the electricity on the train? Is their a steam generator fitted? If so where.

  9. Stephen Burrows

    What percentage of the locomotive is original?

  10. charles prynne

    I have always believed that any preserved classic locomotive should be preserved in the manner in which it was first introduced.

    I would hate to see Patrick Sterling single in BR green with the Br logo on the tender. So, please return “flying Scotsman ” to

    the way Nigel Gresley designed it.

  11. Mike Thompson

    just seen the Flying Scotsman on Anglesey today, and was so disappointed that she is not yet back in Apple Green with 4472 number. Even though she was beautifully finished she looked rather nondescript. Will she be repainted soon ?

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